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    Posted: 07/01/2011 at 12:57pm
I got a REAL surprise yesterday. I took my pontoon to the public scales to finally get it weighed just to have some idea how it turned out. I was almost in shock after finding out. According to the public truck scales the total weight of my truck, my trailer & my boat was 9140 lbs total.

The weight of my truck empty is 4747. The empty weight of the trailer is 795 lbs. So that means the weight of my boat comes out to 3608 lbs. I have double checked those figures & they come out the same & am very surprised to see it come out so heavy when I was trying my best to keep the weight to a minimum. WOW.

My boat is a 24ft pontoon with a 90 E-Tech which weighs 319 lbs PLUS the furniture which weighs approximately 600 lbs PLUS 3 batteries (engine, house & trolling motor), 24 gallon gas tank (24X6=144lbs), odds & ends around 200 lbs. That totals 1263 lbs NOT counting the weight of the console I got from Charles or the wight of the Minn-Kota V2 trolling motor or the weights of the 3 batteries.

What do people on this forum think about this? "IS" this considered heavy or what? I had "thought" it would have come out a lot lighter then this but it didn't. Any commits would be appreciated. No wonder the boat sits low in the water IMO when I ADD 8 adults & one grand child. With only having 2 logs I really thought I would be a lot lighter then this. AND I still have to ADD the under skinning too. Angry
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07/01/2011 at 1:39pm
Just make sure the tires are rated high enough for the max. load. I was a little worried about that on mine, before taking the 6 hour trip to the lake, but they held up well. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07/01/2011 at 3:31pm
I'm seeing that the weight of your boat, ( No fuel, motor or other accessories) but including the original furniture, is about 1400 lbs.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07/01/2011 at 3:37pm
Originally posted by rickdb1 rickdb1 wrote:

I'm seeing that the weight of your boat, ( No fuel, motor or other accessories) but including the original furniture, is about 1400 lbs.
 


Rick, can you explain to me "how" you come up with that figure? I'm totally confused right now with all these numbers.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07/01/2011 at 4:45pm
Did you run truck and trailer over the scales right after unloading the boat?  Just wondered.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07/01/2011 at 5:15pm
Originally posted by rickdb1 rickdb1 wrote:

http://www.iboats.com/JC_and_Neptoon_Pontoon__1984/bp/34br2297s0y


Thanks for the link Rick. I never knew that link was even available. I sure appreciate the information.

I just came inside from checking my logs & I checked to see if any water might be in them. Found out where I just had the brackets welded on the back of the starboard log is leaking at the very bottom of the weld. Angry  I opened both drain lugs & got about a gallon of water from it but nothing at all on the starboard side. Needless to say I WILL be re-visiting the welder come Tuesday for sure but that does not account for the weight problem as I weighed the boat before having those brackets welded on & they had been pressured tested as well. I am still at a loss as to why the boat is so heavy.

That console I got from Charles I know is heavy but I didn't think it was that heavy. LOL I wonder if there are any empty "pork chop" cans hidden inside it some where that I can't see? Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07/01/2011 at 5:40pm
Originally posted by adakops adakops wrote:

Did you run truck and trailer over the scales right after unloading the boat?  Just wondered.

Mike

When I had it on the scales the only things that were on the boat was the furniture, the engine,  batteries & an empty gas tank. Nothing else was on it because I wanted to get as close a figure EMPTY as I could. I called the furniture manufacturer today just to re-verify the weights of the furniture. The only weight I don't know right now is the weights of the individual batteries. I can account for everything else.

The weigh ticket says 9140 lbs. My truck is 4747 empty (which it was at the time), my trailer weighs 795 lbs empty so the rest of the weight has to be the pontoon boat. Based on these figures I am over weight according to the state of VA.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07/01/2011 at 9:33pm
Another dumb question   Were you in the truck during the weighing?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07/01/2011 at 11:48pm
Hey Les, reason I asked about a second weighing without the pontoon on the trailer is to get an accurate weight to work with.  Since the boat may be very heavy, it would be worth the second weighing (without the boat) to ensure just what that weight is. 

Rick's site says the boat should weigh right at 1400 lbs.  That would include furniture (original plywood bases?) and console but no motor or other gear I think.  Working from that, add a motor (319 lbs), 3 batteries at 50 LBS (150 lbs),  no gas ,  and nothing else.  Total boat weight should be right at 1850-1875 LBS.  trolling motor, extra gear and gas would add to that weight but was not on at the weighing.  The console from Charles should not have been that heavy and the new furniture should be lighter than the old original plywood based.  You added some metal when you reworked the transom but not a great amount of weight I think.

Therefore it seams to me that the weight was wrong (possible but not likely), or the truck and trailer weigh more than advertised, or the boat is very heavy.  If it were me i would do a re-weighing if possible to ensure where that weight is. 

Just my 2 cts worth.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07/02/2011 at 7:12am
Mike, that's exactly what I intend to do next week sometime. I remember back when I first inquired about bringing the boat to the scales to be weighed the gentleman told me I would have to drive it on the scales, unhook the truck & drive the truck off & then they could weigh the trailer & boat together. Then all I needed to do was subtract the weight of the trailer & I would have the weight of the boat. When I went over there 3 weeks ago to have it done the lady told me I had been told wrong as she could give me an accurate weight with my truck, trailer & boat then all I needed to do was subtract the weight of the truck & the trailer  to determine the boat weight.

When I go back next week all I am going to have on the boat will be the engine, engine battery & the furniture along with an empty gas tank. I find it hard to believe the boat came out this heavy because I was being wight conscience to start with.

When I also checked with the furniture manufacturer, he told me "generally speaking" that the majority of the new furniture that is roto molded based was actually around 3-5 lbs heavier then the plywood based furniture which took me by surprise. I was told that the biggest advantage for the plastic type bases is they are water proof but are heavier in most cases.

Not only will this cause me to use more fuel & have to be careful about how I load the boat when on the water but it also means I will have to install brakes on the trailer in order to be legal in VA. VA laws state anything 3,000 lbs or over MUST have brakes on the trailer. As I live in a predominately non hilly part of the state & have no mountains or steep hills to travel over I elected to not get brakes on my trailer in the first place. I was very confidant of fact until I weigh the boat. Now I am not sure at all but I intend to find out what's wrong. Plus if I were wanting to go some where that entailed mountainous travel I wouldn't be able to do it safely & I DO believe in being safe.
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Is it possible that there is water in the forward sections of the tubes that is blocked from the drain plugs?  I'm not sure how the aluminum tudes are actually drained.
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I now would always have brakes on a pontoon trailer 20ft and above having both of them before. World of difference and especially in braking on wet surfaces and confidence in heavy traffic.
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Oh and whoever told you rotomolded seats are 3-5 lbs heavier than wood based seats must be smoking wacky backy - there is NO WAY.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07/02/2011 at 11:09am
What they actually said was "based on the wood that was used back in the days (1970-1985) the plastic is actually heavier being used to today then the wood from those years." I found that hard to believe myself but who knows. I do know the old furniture I took off the boat which was original was all wood everywhere including the helm. Everything on the boat now is all rotomolded except for the console. And you know as well as i do that sucker is NOT light LOL but its not that heavy to be causing my weight issue. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07/02/2011 at 12:30pm
I'm with ya.  But I would weigh all three and then weigh the truck and trailer immediately thereafter.  Or truck and trailer first and then all three.  Thjat is the only way to get an accurate scale weight of the boat in whatever load it has when it goes on the scale.

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I will have to weigh the trailer & boat together . Since I know what the weight of the trailer is I can subtract that from the total weight of them both. I will only have 6 gallons of gas, the engine & house batteries plus the furniture this time when I go. I have a very light weight top that weighs at most maybe 50 lbs so I can include that in the weight of the boat total.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07/04/2011 at 10:57am
I did some more checking thanks to the help of rickdb1  here is everything I came up with. My pontoon boat is listed by JC as the following:

1984 24/24

The 1984, 24/24 is a 24 foot pontoon boat. The weight of the boat is 1380 lbs. which does not include passengers, aftermarket boating accessories, or fuel. (Does that include engine or not?) I have a E-Tech 90 hp engine which is the maximum for this pontoon.

 My logs are "U" shaped & are 20 1/2" wide X 23" tall & 24 ft long. The placard states the following information: 2900 lbs persons, motor AND 90hp motor & right below that it states 16 people OR 2400 lbs. I AM confused to say the least right now. Maybe all these chest pains I've been having for the past day is effecting what little bit of mind I have left but I just don't get it right now.

Anyway I know for a fact my engine weighs 319 lbs, my furniture weighs just lightly less then 480 lbs NOT counting the console I got from Charles, I also have 3 batteries & one trolling motor plus a 24 gallon gas tank. My calculations come up to about 2500 lbs & the way I cam up with that figure is this:

Pontoon...............................1380
E-Tech 90...............................319
Furniture................................480
3 Batteries.............................150
Console(approximately).........100
24 gallons of gas @ lbs..........144
Accessories.............................150
Total weight of pontoon ready to float.....2723

If each passengers weight is figured basically @ 150 lbs then 16 people X 150 =2400. Something tells me either I am totally confused or something is wrong since the placard states 16 people or 2400 lbs or any combination thereof NOT exceeding the 2400 lb figure. CORRECT or am I out in left field without a glove or hat to shade my eyes??? Angry

With the high heat, chest pains & finding out I have a leak in the starboard log from where I had a bracket welded on for my transducer along with this confusion about this weight issue, I am NOT having a very good morning. AngryAngryAngry Any help from anyone would be greatly appreciated. My concern more then anything right now is how many people I can safely carry on my pontoon? I am more concerned about that then anything else. I can remove furniture if need be, leave the trolling motor off if need be & I can reduce the size of the gas tank if need be to make sure my passengers as well as myself are SAFE.

I sure hope everyone else is having a much better 4th of July then I am.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07/11/2011 at 10:10am
Mybe a crazy question but have you weighed your truck or how do you know that it weights 4747 pounds?
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